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Garth Huber, 08/22/2025 06:12 PM

 
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                 Aug 21/25 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Please remember to post your slides at:
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https://redmine.jlab.org/projects/kltexp/wiki/Kaon_LT_Meetings
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Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nathan Heinrich, Ivan Zhenchuk, Muhammad Junaid,
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   Nacer Hamdi
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam
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Nathan
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PionLT Lumi analysis
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- ran into some bugs when porting recent TDC cut changes to Lumi analysis
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  scripts
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  - confirmed that cut file changes are incorporated correctly, works now
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  - ifarm changes: needed to add manual load of data from tape silo to analysis
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    scripts, rather than being done automatically
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  - should have new Lumi plots by end of week
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- working on report of analysis changes
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  - will have a meeting with Mark Jones next week on variables, e.g. not sure
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    if cut on HT2 is needed or not
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Junaid
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Q2=3.85 LT-sep
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- extended t-plotting range of functional form fits, as suggested by Dave last
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  week
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  - now see that sigL went very high at low -t, below fitting range, which
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    explains why the ratios were bad even though the function fits looked good
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- set LT,TT=0, also in sigL set p7=0 in exp(p6-p7*ln(Q^2))*(-t)
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  but no change in other parameters
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  - that means the subtraction term in the exponent is removed, ratios got
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    worse, which makes sense
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- trying a different functional form for sigL
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  - Bosted parameterization uses
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    sigL=(p5+p6/Q2)*-t/(t-mpi^2)*Q2*exp(p7*|t|)/(1+p8*Q2+p9*Q4)
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    where p9 is small
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  - using Bosted's input parameters for sigL, sigT stays as before from Tanja,
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    got Data/MC ratios ~5 instead of ~30, with a phi-dependent ratio
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    - first iteration with the new functional form is in progress
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    - if it looks good, then will look more at LT,TT functions to use
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Nacer
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KaonLT Q2=0.50 LT-sep
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- trying different functional forms
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  - previously was using Fpi-2 pi+ functions, now switching to K+ functions in
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    sig_factorized_2007 (extension by Tanja of older Koltenuk model)
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    - only using sigT, setting L=LT=TT=0 since the epsilon dependence is much
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      less than for pi+n
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    - Data/MC ratio using initial params from sig_factorized_2007 is ~40,
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      puzzled since earlier SIMC studies had R~2
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      - Garth: I believe your earlier SIMC studies used Koltenuk's
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        sig_factorized, not sig_factorized_2007, so you should check this
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      - doing some checks to confirm that SIMC and weight recalc scripts give
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        same intermediate result
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    - one good thing is that the kinematic and focal plane distributions have
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      better agreement between data and MC with new functions than before
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KaonLT BSA analysis
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- still writing Co-Op term refport, full draft by end of week
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KaonLT Q2=4.4 LT-sep
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- fit studies for bkd underneath Lambda peak and Sigma0 region at higher MM
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  - revised cut to 1.10<mK<1.14, back down from 1.16
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    - thinks 1.14 cut is better as Sigma0 fit is then not needed
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  - pi+n region is selected with 0.88<mpi<0.94
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- with initial param fits (IT=0) with 1.14 cut, no Sigma0 fit
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  - Data/MC ratios near 1 with some phi oscillation at low -t
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- then do 3 iterations, sig_uns determined from Data/MC ratios changed hugely,
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  particularly around phi~180deg
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  - some high epsilon t-phi bins have very small errors, which could be driving
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    the fits in weird directions
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  - Richard will show some slides next week on the explicit calculation of
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    uncertainties so we can see if they're done correctly
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- starting on Q2=3.0, W=2.32 bkd subtraction checks
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  - background underneath Lambda peak is more significant than at Q2=4.4
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  - Chebyshev 2nd order polynomial appears to be doing a good job
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- Junaid: when you do parameter fitting, do you apply fitting bounds?
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  - Yes, but in a complicated sense.  The fitting script is automated, start
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    with very wide parameter bounds then they get narrower in refits (in same
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    iteration).
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  - also applies a chisq<3 criterion
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KaonLT Q2=2.115, W=2.95 LT-sep
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- will start with bkd subtraction and fitting
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- right now: running SIMC, applying general cuts (PID, CT, ...), applying MM
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  shifts
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- writing code for background subtraction
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  - found an error in the charge uncertainty calculation
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    - Dave Mack specifies 0.5% + 0.15/I in quadrature
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    - erroneous code had a simple sum instead of quadrature and a decimal place
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      error in the coefficient
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    - Richard will propagate this correction to his code too
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Garth
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pi+n BSA PLB changes
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- shows new version of Fig 4, xB vs Q2 data points
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  - made CLAS, CLAS-12 points smaller, changed shading of CLAS-12 bin regions
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  - also added error bars (large) to CLAS-6 data, indicating the huge regions
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    over which they are binned
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  - Nacer found the plot to be confusing, the meaning of the shaded regions was
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    unclear, also skeptical of the value of including any CLAS-6 data given the
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    large binning regions
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Next Meeting
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- Thur Aug 28 @ 15:30 Eastern/13:30 Regina
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  - KaonLT will go first
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_ Note: we will need to do a poll soon, to pick a time for September
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