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Garth Huber, 10/24/2025 04:53 PM

 
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                Oct 23-24/25 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: KaonLT will be discussed first
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Please remember to post your slides at:
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https://redmine.jlab.org/projects/kltexp/wiki/Kaon_LT_Meetings
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nathan Heinrich, Muhammad Junaid, Alicia Postuma,
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   Nermin Sadoun, Vijay Kumar
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Tanja Horn, BC Manoj
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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Richard
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KaonLT - checking phi calculation in SIMC
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- SIMC version of phi_lab goes from -pi to +pi
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  - if phi<0, add 2pi.  It's important not to add pi to all angles, as this
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    screws up the 0 to pi part.
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  - thetapq, thetapqi - reconstructed and vertex theta_pq quantities
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  - thetacm - vertex angle in CM frame
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- many thetacm values are zero or NaN even though other variables are fine
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  - still investigating
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  - Vijay: saw the same thing, seems that thetacm is not output for every event
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  - Junaid: does not see this problem
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    - *NB* it's important to add this variable to results_write.f in SIMC
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    - check with Junaid for instructions, if needed
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- Peter Bosted's email about phi
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  - Dave did a quick test, the difference between old and new phi calcs is very
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    small, both definitions appear to be consistent
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Chi Kin
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Q2=4.4 data analysis
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- comparing #counts after cuts w/Richard
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  - purposefully removed pion and random subtractions, still have a yield
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    difference
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  - effective chage is same for Left, Center but different for Right
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    - looks like some runs were missed in the replay
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  - have not yet compared HGC hole cut effects
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Alicia
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u-channel analysis
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- PYTHIA simulations
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  - found that Pythia does a poor job for the Q2=3.0, W=2.32 setting
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  - MM distributions have extra structures not seen for higher W settings
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  - looked at correlations of MM with other variables
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    - e.g. additional lines appear in MM vs hsyptar
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    - it really looks like a resonance or some exclusive process is included
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- *NB* Garth: suggest to compare Pythia to data, perhaps the data have the same
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  structrues at this W?
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  - if not, then try comparing to Xphsp simulation, at this lower W the MM
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    coverage of the simulatino might be sufficient
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Junaid
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PionLT analysis
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- replayed all PionLT data after Nathan's new report files (for CoinBlocking
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  corr)
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- will look into phi issue next
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Nathan
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PionLT Lumi analysis
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- working on a write-up of the results, hopes to share a draft next week
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Friday: present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Nathan Heinrich, Nermin Sadoun,
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   Muhammad Junaid, Vijay Kumar, Nacer Hamdi
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York - Stephen Kay
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage, Rachel Montgomery
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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CUA - Sameer Jain, Tanja Horn, BC Manoj
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JMU - Gabriel Niculescu
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Nacer
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KaonLT Q2=0.5 analysis
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- following up on last week's discussion about high sensitivity to
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  phi-dependence when adding interference terms to LT-separation
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  - compared phipqi to phipq from SIMC
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  - for Center setting, distributions are fairly similar, except that big pekas
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    in phi-dists are shifted away from 90deg, 270deg
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  - for Left, Right settings, distributions are offset from each other by
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    180deg
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  - *NB* this is because pi was added to all angles, instead:
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    - for phi<0 add +2pi
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    - for phi>0 leave unchanged
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- working on Sigma yields
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Gabriel
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KaonLT - looking at CoinBlocking correction
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Sameer
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KaonLT - showed plots for CoinBlocking correction
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- *NB* Nathan: need to get rid of weird peaks at -300 first, they look like
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  they're due to a bad RefTime cut
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  - look at T.coin.pTRIG1_ROC1_tdcTimeRaw, keeping in mind that triggers are
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    different between KaonLT and PionLT
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    pTRIG1(PionLT)=pTRIG4(KaonLT)
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  - suggest to start by plotting the raw timing variables and selecting proper
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    cuts
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  - only after that is done should you select the cuts for the CoinBlocking
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    correction
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  - the wide cut needs to select the base of the full distribution
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Vijay
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Summer 2019 PionLT analysis
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- CoinBlocking correction: using a 135ns window
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  - correction varies 87%-98% plotted vs Run Number
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  - *NB* Garth: please plot it vs CoinRate, so we can verify the correction
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    makes sense
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    - Nathan: if the correction is good, it should go to unity at zero rate
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- presents GH's fit of VGL model to initial results
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  - sigT is much larger than Ackermann Q2=0.35 data
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  - sigLT is opposite sign to Ackermann as well
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    - Fpi-1 Q2=0.60 has same sign LT as Vijay, so difference appears to be
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      Ackermann
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  - VGL poorly describes the t-dependence of the sigL data
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    - GH followed steps similar to Fpi-1 analysis in dealing with this, a
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      significant model dependence uncertainty will have be assigned to the Fpi
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      extraction as a result
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- these preliminary results do not yet have:
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  - CoinBlocking corr
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  - pion absorption corr
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  - *NB* Vijay also has to check aerogel tray cut in SIMC
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    - Junaid: the data cuts might be buried in the replay script
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Next Meeting
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New 2-meeting/week structure
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- Thurs: Oct 30 @ 16:00 Eastern/14:00 Regina
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  - PionLT will go first
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- Fri: Oct 31 @ 11:00 Eastern/9:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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