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Garth Huber, 11/28/2025 05:57 PM

 
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                Nov 28/25 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Please remember to post your slides at:
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https://redmine.jlab.org/projects/kltexp/wiki/Kaon_LT_Meetings
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Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Nacer Hamdi, Nermin Sadoun,
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   Muhammad Junaid, Nathan Heinrich
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Glasgow - Rachel Montgomery, Kathleen Ramage
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York - Stephen Kay
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam
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Junaid
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Setting up for PionLT Q2=3.85, W=2.02 analysis
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- completed RF cut studies.  Using cut 1.2<P_RF_Dist<3.4
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  RF histogram after PID cuts is remarkably clean
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- evaluated RF cut efficiency: 99.8%
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- evaluated pion absorption correction w/ NGC and n=1.011 aerogel, i.e. only
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  the SHMS momentum is different from the earlier setting
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  - comparing the two corrections:
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    P=5.127 GeV/c   corr=3.6%   previous setting
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    P=3.493 GeV/c   corr=4.5%   this setting
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Next steps:
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- now setting up SIMC for this setting
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- then will investigate MM cut and MM offset
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- after that would be the diamond cut selection
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Q2=3.85, W=2.62 analysis
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- added CoinTime Blocking, pion absorption and RF cut efficiency corrections
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  and did 2 more iterations
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Nathan
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PionLT wrapping up CoinLumi systematics
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- as reported earlier, applying a small "ad-hoc" correction to the
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  uncertainties gave fits vs CoinRate with ChiSquare closer to 1
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  - this "ad-hoc" correction was added in quadrature to the other uncertainties
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- since this "ad-hoc" correction is one of the larger systematic uncertainties,
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  it's worth looking at in a bit more detail
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  - instead of adding it as a constant in the denominator, tried attributing
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    this as a systematic in the EDTM instead
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    - this gives a small rate-dependence to the uncertainty
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    - resulting ChiSquare is slightly better, 1.01 vs 1.07
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- Dave had earlier suggested that Nathan treat the EDTM uncertainty in this
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  way, so that's done now
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  - will call it the "EDTM systematic uncertainty" rather than "ad-hoc"
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  - will update the Lumi report accordingly
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Kathleen
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PionLT analysis setup
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- still working hard on classes, going through Junaid's analysis instructions
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  when has time
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT Q2=3.0, W=3.14 LT-sep
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- shifted MM Lambda peak to SIMC positions, instead of other way around
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- looking in detail at match of SIMC Lambda peak to data for each t-phi bin
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  - keeping the bin if passes criteria:
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    - counts>100
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    - yield+error>0
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    - yield ratio of the Lambda(1.10-1.14) region to pi+ region>5%
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- slightly adjusted t-bins, now has 4 t-bins and 12 phi-bins
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  - still looking at adjustments to t-bin limits
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- Data/MC ratios
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  - generally looks good, but gets some bumps in phi-distribution for the
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    highest 2 t-bins
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  - using sigT=p4*exp(-|p5*t|), monotonically falling
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    - has questions whether this is a good form to use, Garth responds that
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      T is expected to be fairly flat, but does not have to fall monotonically
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      for K+, it could have a shallow hump in it, we will discuss this more in
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      Nacer's presentation
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  - no Q2 or W dependence in any of the functions.  Nacer suggests to restore a
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    simple W-factor
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- Data and MC focal plane and physics variable plot comparisons
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  - comparison is notably worse for the Left setting than the Center setting
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- looking into further improvements
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  - describing Sigma0 peak w/ CrystalBall function, as described earlier
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    - sometimes this gave a long tail underneath the Lambda, leading to
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      over-subtraction
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  - looking at an alternate fit form to avoid this, Gaussian+Tail+Baseline
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    gives a good description.  Then exclude the Baseline, subtracting just
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    Gaussian+Tail
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  - some t-phi bins have a weird background between the Lambda and Sigma peaks
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    which doesn't follow either fit form, the statistics for the shown bin
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    looks marginal
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    - looking at Landau distribution with a polynomial
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    - *NB* Garth: is it essential that we retain these t-phi bins, i.e. if this
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      same bin is populated more cleanly by a different SHMS setting, then it
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      would be better to just exclude this bin (for both data and MC), rather
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      than have a large systematic uncertainty from the poorly constrained
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      background fit
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Nacer
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KaonLT Q2=0.5 LT-sep refinements
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- trying different functional forms for sigT, while keeping L=LT=TT=0 in fit
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- simple Wfac=1/(W^2-mp^2)^2 form used
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- last week showed a fit that gave fairly good Data/MC ratios, the question is
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  if this can be improved further, to give ratios more uniformly closer to 1
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  (rather than a t-dependent ratio) and fewer phi-wiggles
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- Try sigT=(p1*|t|+p2)*exp(-|p3*t|)
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  - Data/MC Ratios fairly flat with phi, but ~1.6 for low -t, higher -t near 1
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  - the issue is that the model has difficulty accommodating the hump in sigT
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    vs t, cross section drops too quickly at low -t, becoming negative
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- Try sigT=(p1*|t|+p2)^2 *exp(-|p3*t|)
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  - this forces sigT to not go negative at low -t
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  - ratios much closer to 1 at low -t, low epsilon, but high epsilon is worse
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- Try sigT=p1*exp(-|p2*t|)/(p3*|t|+p4)^2
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  - ratios look promising, phi-wiggles but under control
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- Also tried sigT=p1*exp(-|p2*t|)/(p3*|t|+p4)^2
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  - gave good ratios after 3rd iteration, except at low -t
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- will go back to sigT=p1/Q^2 + |t|^p2/(Q^2+p3^2)^2
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  and introduce a simple function for sigL
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Investigating the feasibility of u-channel DVCS info from KaonLT data
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- looking at plots of MM^2=EM^2-PM^2 to see how well DVCS and exclusive pi0 are
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  separated
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  - proton PID and random subtraction applied, but no dummy subtraction
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  - default normalization in study: 90% pi0, 10% DVCS
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Low epsilon settings, no MM^2 shift is needed in omega region, so MM^2
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reconstruction in pi0 region is presumably reliable
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- Q2=2.1, W=2.95
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  - DVCS region has poor statistics
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- Q2=3.0, W=2.32
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  - DVCS outside coincidence MM^2 region for this setting
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- Q2=3.0, W=3.14
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  - pi0 peak is mostly consistent with SIMC MM^2 shape, except for a shoulder
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    on left side that is presumably DVCS
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    - the shoulder indicates DVCS is more than 10% of pi0, could be as much as
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      20%
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- Q2=4.4, W=2.14
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  - also see a DVCS shoulder on pi0, but not as prominent as previous setting
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- Q2=5.5, W=3.02
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High epsilon settings, no diamond cut is applied to equalize to low epsilon
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acceptance
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- Q2=3.0, W=2.32
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  - MM^2 resolution is poor, but statistics are very good
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  - DVCS region appears easier to interpret than omega region, due to fewer
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    contributing processes
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  - to describe DVCS region, would need both DVCS and pi0 SIMC plus a
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    polynomial background
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- Q2=3.0, W=3.14
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  - applied a MM^2 shift, perhaps too far
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- Q2=4.4, W=2.74
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  - bad statistics, will get worse if a diamond cut is applied
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In general, it appears there is enough there to be worthwhile for a MSc or
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undergraduate summer student to study in more detail.  Will go back to omega
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analysis now
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- Q2=3.0, W=2.32
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  - investigate whether MM^2 rather than MM makes it easier to separate omega
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    from pi+n leakthrough
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  - conclusion: the separation between the peaks is larger with MM^2, but so is
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    the width of each peak, so no difference in separation capability
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Next Week Meetings
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- Thurs: Dec 4 @ 16:00 Eastern/15:00 Regina
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  - KaonLT will go first
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- Fri: Dec 5 @ 11:00 Eastern/10:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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