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Richard Trotta, 02/06/2026 12:10 PM

 
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February 5th, 2026
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Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Present
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Regina - Muhammad Junaid, Alicia Postum, Nathan Heinrich, Abdenacer Hamdi
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CUA - Tanja Horn, Sameer Jain, Chi Kin Tam
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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Jlab- Dave Gaskell
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CSULA - Konrad Aniol
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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Alicia
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- Proton/Omega PID (Data vs SIMC) plots look a bit odd
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	- There was some confusion on variable naming conventions so Alicia will fix these
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Sameer
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- Some questions on event type
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	- Nathan provided some explanations on how the DAQ records information coming in from the trigger
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		- (Prescaled) Singles events may be blocked but (no PS) coin events are kept
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		- Sameer has a document on coinblock studies but can't upload due to issues with DocDB. He will upload when things are working.
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Nathan
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- WNPP Talk
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	- Sameer: PionLT can access GPDs? 
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		- Nathan: The scaling study can be used to extract GPDs, but it requires help of theorists
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	- Tanja: Because non-expert audience, are the luminosity studies at the right level?
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		- Nathan: Because the LT separation requires two beam settings, the goal is to emphasize that these studies are very important to understand in order to get the end separation.
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		- There is some debate if luminosity/boiling/rate dependence should be talked about as the same thing or point out the subtle differences.
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		- Dave: Luminosity is a study of the target  (i.e., boiling) and any rate dependence is a property of the instrumentation. More just a pedantic point for clarity, beyond the scope of the talk.
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		- Consensus: Its important to not confuse the audience. These are all part of the same set of studies, umbrella luminosity studies/analysis, but emphasize the underlying target results (e.g., boiling correction).
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Alicia
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- WNPP Talk
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	- Tanja: Maybe a good idea to tie the talks together a bit better. 
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	- Alicia: Backup slide with the full connective tissue between her and Nathan.
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Junaid
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- WNPP Talk
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	- Agreed there is too much for a 5 minute talk
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		- Too much technical details that results may get no time
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	- Dave: Yield calculations slide and diamond region selection is not central to this talk. A bullet or two may be good enough.
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	- Tanja: Procedure of extracting cross sections also may be too much. A bullet may be good enough.
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	- Richard: Zoom into ratios (like phi slide) and just add a quick overview of yields, efficiencies, etc.
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	- Junaid: Iteration procedure will be trimmed up (e.g., diamond region selection to backup). Move the yield calculations to backup and use Richard's idea.
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February 6th, 2026
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Today: KaonLT will be discussed first
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Present
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Regina - Muhammad Junaid, Alicia Postum, Nathan Heinrich, Nermin Sadoun, Vijay Kumar
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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Jlab- Dave Gaskell
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Glasglow - Kathleen Ramage
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Vijay
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- Verbal update
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	- Model Uncertainty +/- 10% sig, next week update
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- The overleaf tables were updated with most recent values
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- After model checks, remaining systematics
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Nermin
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- Pi- PID Cuts (Q2=1.6, W=3.08)
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	- Progression of cuts applied from acceptance to CT to detector to RF
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	- MM vs RF for each progressive stage was shown
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	- Nathan: Pointed out that there were two identical "blobs" at the same MM point so the current RF cut would cut out good events.
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	- Junaid: he RF offset needs to be updated for some runs to correct for this, then the "blobs" will overlap at the same RF value and the cut won't subtract good events.
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	- A general discussion about how there will always be contamination in calorimeter cuts. It's a balancing act that will take a few adjustments. The current cuts seem reasonable.
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	- NGC is a bit odd as there are almost no electrons 
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		- Possible cause: issue with gas?
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		- Dave suggested no NGC cut until this is figured out
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		- NGC is the most inefficient, this needs further investigation
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	- Nathan suggests also removing RF, similar discussion as last week (i.e., things are clean as is and it is only adding additional correction)
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	- After all PID cuts applied, random subtraction determined and removed.
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- Refine these cuts a bit then looking at the efficiencies in more detail.
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Chi Kin+Richard
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- Comparison of Richard and Kin SIMC Yields show significant differences with a strong phi dependence (no t-dependence) at iteration 0
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- Richard is using Kin's SIMC file so the bug must be somewhere in forming the SIMC yield.
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- Dave suggested double checking variables coming out of SIMC to make sure they are consistent
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- Richard has stripped complexities of code and hard coded things for testing to eliminate those types of bugs. Updates next week on results.
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- Q2=3.0, W=2.32
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	- There is a clear trend that sigT > sigL. This may be due to the fact that the lowest t bin is still at relatively large momentum transfer (t ≳ 0.4 GeV^2), where longitudinal dominance is no longer expected. This behavior is consistent with Marco’s analysis.
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	- Richard and Kin have proposed two phenomenological functions that interpolate from a pole-dominated contribution in sigL at small t to a form without an explicit pole term as t increases. This is an active discussion, and updated functional forms are expected next week.
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****Due to WNPP, there will only be the Friday meeting at 11 am!****
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