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Garth Huber, 02/20/2026 04:45 PM

 
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                Feb 19-20/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nacer Hamdi, Muhammad Junaid, Vijay Kumar,
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   Alicia Postuma, Nermin Sadoun
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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CSULA - Konrad Aniol
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CUA - Tanja Horn, Chi Kin Tam, Sameer Jain
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Junaid
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PionLT Q2=3.85 analysis
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- started working on PhD thesis and on systematic studies in parallel
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- will meet w/Nathan on systematic studies already completed
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Vijay
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Low Q2 PionLT analysis
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- presented new model systematics studies
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- followed instructions in Blok et al. paper:
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  - varied sigL, sigT +/-10% then 2 iterations
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    - effect is very small overall, with 1st t-bin is more sensitive:
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      sigL only 0.004 ub/GeV2 variation
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  - apparently this is not what Tanja did, not sure why the text in the paper
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    is written this way.  A change in the parameters should result in
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    negligible change after 2 iterations as the parameters return to their
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    optimal values
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  - Tanja suggests instead to change the functional form in some way and see
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    what that change is
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    - Garth: Vijay already has a slightly different parameterization (from
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      Nov/25), so all he needs to do is compare the latest paramterization
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      result with that one
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      - the difference is that the old one has no Q2-dep in the functional
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        form, while the new one does
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Alicia
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u-channel analysis
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- comparing data and MC kinematics plots for Q2=3.0, W=3.14, high eps, center
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  - apply MC normalization params from MM shape study to other kinematic
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    variables
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  - two types of plots presented: sum of MC compared to data, subtract bkd MCs
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    from data and compare difference with omega MC
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  - encouraging level of agreement, but more checks needed
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    - ssypfp, ssxpfp distributions have a lot of zero events, need to check if
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      1-2 runs for the setting were replayed improperly
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      - removed the zero events for now, and compared shapes with MC
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    - need to recheck MC normalizations to data
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- working in parallel on Phi-007 MM reconstruction resolution for Expt
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  Readiness Review w/ Henry Klest
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT high Q2 analysis
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- looking into discrepancy between his results and Richard's
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  - narrowed down that difference is not coming from cuts
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  - next possibility is that it might be the SIMC weights
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  - meeting tomorrow w/ Richard and will report again tomorrow
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- started drafting paper on Overleaf
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Sameer
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PionLT luminosity analysis
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- working with Nathan's lumi scripts to learn how to use them and apply to his
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  own analysis
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Nacer
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Low Q2 KaonLT analysis
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- further work on MC model optimization
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- prior best model:
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  - functional form only for sigT, sigL,LT,TT=0 functional form
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  - ratios were fairly good, but some wiggles
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  - fit of function to sigL,T results vs t not very good
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- new changes:
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  - added another t-bin, since sigL shows a large jump between bins 1,2
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    - New limits (8 bins):
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        0.070, 0.084, 0.090, 0.096, 0.102, 0.108, 0.116, 0.128, 0152
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      Old limits (7 bins):
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        0.070, 0.086, 0.094, 0.100, 0.106, 0.114, 0.126, 0.152
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    - has ~10k events/bin
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    - then used only sigT model for new 8-bins, Data/MC ratios changed more
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      than expected but still near 1
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  - change to simple functional forms for L,LT,TT same as Chi Kin
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      sigL = p2*exp(-|p3*t|)
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      sigLT= p4*exp(-|p5*t|)*sin(theta*)
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      sigTT= p6*exp(-|p7*t|)*sin^2(theta*)
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    - Data/MC ratios look very good, close to 1 and much flatter than before,
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      even the highest -t bins look good
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    - fit of function to sigT,LT,TT vs t also looks pretty good
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    - new 2nd t-bin has sigL slightly higher than zero by ~1.5 sigma, bins 3-8
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      remain statistically consistent with zero
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    - kinematic comparison plots (Data vs MC):
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      - HMS xptar looks better after adjusting HMS ME offset
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      - Dave: a few nagging discrepancies but not bad agreement overall
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- Dave: still concerned that rise in sigL at low -t is anti-correlated with
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  drop in sigT for same bin, need to demonstrate that this is real, and not an
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  analysis artifact
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  - are the MM offsets different at low and high epsilon?
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    - the difference in offsets is ~2.5 MeV
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  - The MM offset is applied only to MM, and is not propagated to the other
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    kinematic variables.  The concern is that MM is correlated with t, so
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    significantly different MM offsets at high and low epsilon could imply the
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    t-distributions are shifted by different amounts at high and low epsilon
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    and this could give rise to anti-correlated behavior between sigT,L
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    *NB* Garth will work with Nacer to estimate the implied shift in t by a 2.5
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     MeV MM shift
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Friday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Ailcia Postuma, Nacer Hamdi, Nermin Sadoun,
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   Muhammad Junaid, Vijay Kumar
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York - Stephen Kay
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JMU - Gabriel Niculescu
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CUA - Tanja Horn, Chi Kin Tam
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Glasgow - Rachel Montgomery
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Nermin
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PionLT LD2 analysis
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- met w/ Kathleen Ramage yesterday on analysis issues
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- RF times offset correction for LD- Q2=1.6, W=3.08, high eps=9.16GeV
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  - before: RF time distribution had 2 peaks separated by 2ns, both consistent
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    with pi-p missing mass
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  - determined that some runs needed the RF time to be offset by 2ns compared
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    to the others
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    - the issue, as we learned during the experiment, is that sometimes Hall C
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      receives the even beam bunches, and sometimes the odd beam bunches, and
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      we have to correct the odd ones by 2ns to bring them into time with the
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      even ones
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    - the shifted runs were: 12043,44 which were in the middle of the setting
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  - after: RF time has 1 nice peak
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  - shows RF time plot w/o and w/ CT, Hcer, Hcal, Acceptance Cuts:
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    background is much reduced with these cuts applied
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- NGC plots have most events near zero
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  Mean=0.134NPE  #Entries=646774
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  - apply Pcal>0.85 cut to select electrons in SHMS
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    Mean=0.153NPE  #Entries=305096
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    - ~50% of SHMS events are electrons
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  - Nermin looks up LD analysis report by Argha Das
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    - NGC mean is ~4 NPE for a different setting, much higher than here
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    - Garth: suggests to look at low epsilon data for same setting to see if
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      the issue is just these runs, or overall
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    - Nermin will look into the NGC calibration scripts
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Rachel
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PionLT LD2 analysis
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- Kathleen looking at a different LD- setting than Nermin, sees a very large
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  #randoms, hard to tell where the prompt peak is
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  - Nacer: suggests to look at CoinTime with MM cut applied, it should make the
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    prompt peak stand out more
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  - Garth: the LD- settings have high random rates due to electrons in the
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    SHMS, it is easier to set up the analysis first on LD+ data for same
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    kinematics
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Richard
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KaonLT high Q2 analysis
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- looking into discrepancy between his results and Chi Kin's
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  - compared results bin-by-bin
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    - Kin's yields ~50% higher
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    - found 2 differences in cuts:
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      - CKT has optimized the diamond cut
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      - HGC hole cut also slightly different, Richard needs to confirm that x,y
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        axes are applied correctly (so the hole cut is where it is intended)
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  - SIMC weights were consistent, so that's not the issue
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  - believes the issue is caused by the order of cuts being applied
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    - in principle, cuts are supposed to be commutative (i.e. the order doesn't
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      matter), but possibly there is a NumPy array issue which screws this up
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  - Gabriel: is there a milestone plan on who checks what?
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  - Tanja: it's important to try to keep some things constant (such as
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    identical cuts between RT and CKT) so the cause of the difference can be
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    identified more readily
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Next Meetings
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- Thurs: Feb 26 @ 16:00 Eastern/15:00 Regina
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  - KaonLT will go first
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- Fri: Feb 27 @ 11:00 Eastern/10:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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