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Garth Huber, 03/08/2026 12:56 PM

 
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                 Mar 5-6/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nacer Hamdi, Muhammad Junaid, Alicia Postuma,
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   Nathan Heinrich, Nermin Sadoun
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Sameer Jain
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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CSULA - Konrad Aniol
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Junaid
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Q2=3.85 W=2.62 LT-sep
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- added another t-bin at higher -t, divided last bin into 2
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  - now have 7 t-bins
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  - sigL follows a fairly monotonic trend (minus fluctuations), dropping with
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    -t
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  - Data/MC ratios have some oscillations for last 3 t-bins at low epsilon,
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    high epsilon ratios are more consistently near unity
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- met with Sameer for 2 hrs this week on LT-sep code
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- comparing physics yields w/ Nathan, using same SIMC parameters and the new 7
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  t-bins
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Next steps:
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- will evaluate systematic uncertainties, which will vary with t-bin
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Nermin
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PionLT LD- PID studies
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- new NGC calibration using 15 runs from 12027-46
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  - shows Poisson fits for PMTs 1-4
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  - gain factors are a bit different than last week (only 3 runs), the
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    difference is up to ~20%, depending on PMT
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- Discussion: should the gain factor vary run-by-run?
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  - need to calculate the error bar on the gain parameters
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  - do a study of gain params vs run number
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  - if the gains are reasonably consistent within uncertainties, then it is
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    good to combine them to get an overall gain factor with smaller uncertainty
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  - if there is a sudden change in a gain param, some running condition changed
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    and can only combine runs before and after the shift
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- replayed data w/ new NGC calibration
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  - use of the NGC for e-/pi- rejection is not looking optimistic
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Nathan
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- was ill much of the week, did some data analysis comparisons w/ Junaid
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Sameer
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KaonLT CoinTime Blocking studies
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- studies completed for Q2=2.115 to 5.0
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- working on Q2=0.50 now
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  - waiting on new data replay from Nacer (with extra ROOT branches)
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  - should have results next week
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- asks about lack of labeled CoinLumi runs in KaonLT
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  - this was something we did only for the first time in PionLT
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  - KaonLT took various physics data were the beam current was intentionally
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    varied by a factor of 2-3x, these runs can be used
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  - *NB* Richard will give Sameer the run numbers for these studies
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  - Sameer can then apply his CoinTime Blocking correction to the yields to see
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    if the dependence is flat
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- Junaid: it would be useful to put the CoinTime Blocking factor into the hcana
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  Report Files
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  - Nathan will send Sameer a template example
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  - Richard would like to include this in his next replay, so it needs to be
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    completed soon
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- *NB* Richard will instruct Sameer on how to post slides on RedMine,
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  apparently his account is not yet added to the RedMine group
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Nacer
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KaonLT Q2=0.5 model optimizations (K+Lambda)
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- last week, Richard noticed that sigT looked like a pole term, while sigL did
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  not
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  - tried reversing them, sigL now pole-like, sigT not pole-like
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  - did some iterations, confirmed the fit params are different
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  - differences in separated cross sections are tiny, can only see the
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    difference when looking at the numbers, plots are barely different
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    i.e. model dependence is small, which would be good news
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  - Data/MC ratios are a bit better with sigT pole-like, so will retain that
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    version
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- turned MM-shift on/off and investigated effect on separated cross sections
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  - did 1 iteration
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  - sigT varies ~5%
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  - sigL varies ~10% in lowest t-bin, large t-bins have similar effect in
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    magnitude, but a larger fractional effect (>100%) due to very small cross
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    section
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  - Garth: it is good news that sigL at low -t is only affected 10%, but this
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    is likely an over-estimate of the systematic error
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    - *NB* rather than MM-shift on/off, try applying the t-shift calculated by
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      GH from MM-shift
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- preparing ROOT files for Sameer's CoinTime Blocking correction
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  - asked about the difference between Autumn18 and Winter18 RefCut files
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  - Nathan: need to produce ROOT files with the correct branches, to confirm
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    the cuts on RawCoinTime are appropriate
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    - *NB* Nathan will give Nacer plotting scripts for RawCoinTime plots w/o
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      overflows at 10^38
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Garth
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Shift in t implied by MM peak shift correction
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- modified his relativistic kinematics program to do this calculation
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  - MMshift = difference between correct and expt values
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    MMexpt=MMcorrect+MMshift (i.e. opposite sign of the MMshift applied to data)
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  - keeping Q2, W, and meson CM-angle constant, then calculate the change in
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    meson kinematics implied by the MMshift
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    - meson momentum and meson lab angle changed slightly
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  - then calculate t
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    tEXP=tCORRECT+tSHIFT (i.e. apply the opposite sign of tSHIFT to data)
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- GH supplied tSHIFT values for Chi Kin, Nacer, Junaid MMshifts
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  - Chi Kin: can the shift be applied on event-by-event basis?
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  - No, one calculation per SHMS setting, not per t-bin
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  - agrees that this is slightly inaccurate, as the true shift will vary with
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    t-bin, but the dependence appears to be small
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  - *NB* GH will post a cleaned up version of the Fortran code
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Friday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Muhammad Junaid, Nacer Hamdi, Nermin
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   Sadoun
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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York - Stephen Kay
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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JMU - Gabriel Niculescu
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage, Rachel Montgomery
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Alicia
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u-channel proton PID studies, Q2=3.0 W=3.14 centerSHMS high epsilon
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- applying HGC, Aerogel, RF cuts (when available)
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- MM cut is not applied until after shape study in physics analysis
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- shows some preliminary efficiencies per detector
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- HGC has a hole cut
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  - *NB* Garth: need to treat the hole cut like an acceptance cut, it should be
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    applied in both numerator and denominator in efficiency calc
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    - the reason why it must be included in denominator is that the
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      inefficiency is not uniform, and scaling up the efficient regions to
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      account for the inefficient region will produce a new error
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- Aerogel eff is 79%, which is suspicously low
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- Discussion: accuracy of proton efficiencies in report file?
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  - *NB* Junaid suggests the PID cuts used should be rechecked
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  - Dave: a <NPE cut is used for Cherenkov proton selection, normally an
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    efficiency would not be needed (since it's a lack of a big signal), but
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    protons can generate knock-on electrons that would be excluded by the cut
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  - *NB* need to confirm that the efficiency calc correctly accounts for the
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     protons lost due to knock-on electrons failing cut
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- asks about how to calculate purity of the proton sample
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  - Garth: the important part is the yield uncertainty due to pi+
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    contamination, not the absolute purity itself
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    - since this is handled partly by subtracting pi+ sample in the shape
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      study, it is probably most productive to have one overall systematic from
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      the shape study which includes pi+ impurity contributions
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    - you can calculate the pi+ contribution from the shape study, likely a
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      referee would ask about it
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- shows plots of proton track efficiency vs run number
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  - Junaid: it would be good to also plot vs rate
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    - will have to check several rates to see which one has the clearest
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      correlation, it will probably be S1X
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT LT-sep: looking at -tmin vs -t (where -tmin is calc event-by-event)
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- first shows SIMC data, when applying all cuts except MM, there are a small
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  number of events that violate physical conditions (-t<-tmin)
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  - when apply MM cut, the unphysical events go away, clearly these are due to
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    the radiative tail
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- then shows Expt data, ~10% of events have -t<-tmin, seems a resolution effect
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  - Dave: resolution mismatch between Expt and SIMC is the potential issue here
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  - Gabriel: should not throw these events away, they have good MM, so they're
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    valid events
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- then applies Garth's tSHIFt for Q2=4.4 W=2.74
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  - this moves t-distribution by the correct amount, no events with -t<-tmin
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    remain, the problem is gone
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  - it's a bit surprising the calculation works so well, will apply to other
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    settings too
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Richard
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- setting up for bit KaonLT data replay
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  - goal is to ahve Q2=3.0 W=3.14 setting replayed by end of weekend
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Kathleen
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PionLT LD+ PID cuts Q2=1.6 W=3.08 Ebeam=6.395
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- last week it was suggested to try SHMS left, center before SHMS right
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  - things look very similar to SHMS right
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  - refining cuts for HMS Hcal, Hcer
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Next Meetings
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- Thurs: Mar 12 @ 16:00 Eastern/14:00 Regina
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  - KaonLT will go first
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- Fri: Mar 13 @ 11:00 Eastern/9:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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- NOTE: Regina group needs to note the summer schedule times!
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