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Garth Huber, 03/21/2026 10:58 AM

 
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                Mar 19-20/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Nermin Sadoun, Muhammad Junaid,
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   Nacer Hamdi
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CUA - Chi Kin tam, Sameer Jain
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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Junaid
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PionLT Q2=3.85 W=2.62 LT-sep
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- added t-shifts calculated by GH
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  - needed to adjust first 4 t-bins to keep ~2500 counts/bin
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      old 3 bins:  0.16-0.208   0.208-0.226   0.226-0.264
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      new 3 bins:  0.16-0.206   0.206-0.226   0.226-0.262
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  - had MM offsets with both signs so not all data shifted in same way
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    - average effect is data shifted to slightly smaller -t
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  - Data/MC ratios very similar to before
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    - some oscillations in 5th t-bin at low epsilon, was there before too
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    - Vijay also had some low epsilon high -t oscillations
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  - Rosenbluth "money plots"
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    - before: d2sig/dtdphi for bins 2-4 had big dip at phi=180 where
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      sig_hieps<sig_loeps, even if sig_hieps>sig_loeps overall
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    - now: the sig_hieps has shifted up by enough that at dip
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      sig_hieps=sig_loeps
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  - separated cross-sect: sigL increased by ~1sigma at low -t, changes smaller
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    at high -t
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- met with Nathan yesterday to discuss comparison analysis, meeting again
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  tomorrow
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Nacer
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KaonLT Q2=0.5 LT-sep
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- added t-shifts calculated by GH
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  - MM shift is always to the left (i.e. needed to shift data to lower MM), so
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    data need to shift to lower -t as well
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  - biggest t-shift=0.00375, which is comparable to the width of a t-bin
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  - no changes made to binning, 1 iteration only
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  - sigL changes shape a lot, goes strongy negative for first bin
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  - lowest t-bin Data/MC ratio is very bad
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  - yields unchanged to 7-sig-figs, something is claerly wrong
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  - will look carefully at scripts
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- Garth: *NB* probably the t-binning had to be adjusted as well, take a look at
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  yields/bin, as Junaid did
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Alicia
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KaonLT u-channel LT-sep
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  - more u-binning studies for Q2=3.0 W=3.14
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- u-bin limits
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  - previously, showed bkd-subtracted omega yields vs u-bin for
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    Left,Center,Right
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  - to get a cleaner sample, tightened cut 0.75<MM<0.85
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  - shifted bins slightly lower in -u
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- compare t-binning vs u-binning
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  - with u-binning the MM plots seem to have better defined omega peaks
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  - confirmed from Bill's thesis that he used u-binning
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- u-phi scatter plot
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  - add an offset (-u+0.3) because u passes through zero
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  - left SHMS has some u>0 events
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  - investigated at what value of u we lose total phi coverage
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- investigated u reconstruction resolution
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  - compared u vs u_true in SIMC
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  - sigma of (u-u_true) is 0.008 GeV2, which is much smaller than the
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    u-binning
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- checking which u-phi bins are dominated by omega radiative tail events
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  - will eventually do a Rad-Off vs Rad-On study in SIMC
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  - for a quick check, looked at peak to tail ratio
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      tail: 0.85<MM<1.0   peak: 0.75<MM<0.85
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  - tail/(tail+peak) gets >50% for -u>0.6, which is higher than where full
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    phi-coverage ends
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- try 2 u-bins vs 3 u-bins, due to statistics
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   0<-u<0.12 - many fewer backgrounds contribute than higher -u
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   0.12<-u<0.40 - center SHMS: harder to pick out omega by eye
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                  left SHMS: RF time is not available
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		  right SHMS: has RF time
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- binned shape study
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   0<-u<0.12 center SHMS: rho fit fails for some cases due to narrower
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     0.65<MM<0.95 range of data
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   0.12<-u<0.40 center SHMS: K data leakthrough has a lot of piDelta events
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  - instead of using both K and pi data leakthroughs, will use pi data
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    leakthrough and add to it the Klambda MC
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  - low statistics and systematic uncertainties in bkd subtraction will need
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    careful work
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    - will revisit u-phi binning after more bkd studies
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Next steps
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- need to run more Pythia MC, since most events are at higher -u and not needed
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  for the high MM shape study
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- will meet with Bill next Tuesday to get his opinion on binning and shape
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  studies done so far
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Friday: present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nathan Heinrich, Alicia Postuma, Nermin Sadoun,
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   Muhammad Junaid, Nacer Hamdi
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Sameer Jain, Tanja Horn
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage
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JMU - Cabriel Niculescu
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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PionLT LD+ cut study
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- acceptance cuts
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  - using cuts from Vijay's thesis (p. 167)
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    - these are probably okay, will need to check what Matrix Elements were
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      used
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  - now applying acceptance cuts first, before the others
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- then apply CoinTime cut, since it removes most events, before looking at
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  other cuts
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- RF cut vs MM
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  - Junaid: RF time looks good, no evidence of a double peak, like Nermin found
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    (and corrected)
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- HGC
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  - made a plot of X,Y vs NPE, sees clearly where the "hole" is
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  - if a HGC cut is used, a cut needs to be drawn around this region to exclude
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    it in both data and MC
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  - Alicia: suggests to first see if you can get away with just Aerogel and RF
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    cuts, and no HGC, in which case no HGC hole cut would be needed
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- NGC
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  - don't apply a cut for pi+ data, but use the pi+ data to determine the
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    correction to apply to pi- data (where a cut will be necessary)
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- Aerogel
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  - made a plot f X,Y vs NPE
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    - some discussion about small region at x=-45cm that is slightly
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      inefficient
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    - there is also evidence of a small gap between 2 rows of tiles at x=-30cm  
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  - Junaid: aerogel tray cut is applied in replay, cuts were set by Petr
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    Stepanov, so the tray cut is probably okay
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  - will try placing cut at 1 NPE, to remove protons
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- MM plot:
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  - want to see if events to left of pi+n peak goes to zero
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    - Nathan: need to subtract both Randoms and Dummy Target
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    - Gabriel: need to normalize using Qeff from Beam Charge, TrackEff,
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      LiveTime, etc
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    - Garth: plot with y-axis going slightly negative, to check for
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      over-subtraction
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PionLT LD+ detector efficiencies
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- analyzing 9.117GeV Q2=1.6 W=3.08 SHMS right (6deg)
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- applied: Aerogel>0.2NPE  -2.0<CoinTime<+2.0  No RFTIme cut
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- HMS Cer Eff 99.1%
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  - Gabriel: please confirm that binomial errors are used for detector
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    efficiencies
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  - Alicia: yes it should be set up this way in the Report Files
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- SHMS Aero Eff 97%
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  - Garth: this seems low, pions should have a very high aerogel efficiency
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    - wonders if there is proton contamination in the event sample used to
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      calculate the efficiency
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  - Nathan: *NB* need to apply the HGC to clean up the particle sample when
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    calculating pion aerogel efficiency
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    - suggests to apply NPE>5 cut on HGC
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  - Junaid: don't worry about the exact NPE value to use in the cut, as long as
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    it's sufficiently high to exclude protons, NPE>3 is probably okay too
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- will look at LD- detector efficiencies, same Q2-W setting
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- after that, will start LD2 Lumi study
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- *NB* Junaid will send Kathleen and Julie his Efficiencies Report
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PionLT Q2=3.85 W=2.62 analysis cross-checks
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- made a spreadsheet of Yield Comparisons between NH and MJ
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  - Low Epsilon Center yields are different ~5%, other settings are exactly the
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    same
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  - cuts could be different, still checking
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  - Garth: a possible explanation is that a run replay failed and you're
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    comparing a different number of runs
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  - Nacer: an explanation alternate to run fail could be symlinks pointing to
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    the wrong place, remove symlinks to be sure you're using the same file
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- using ROC2, found an error in Junaid's code that ROC1 was used by mistake
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- different MM offsets could lead to small yield variations
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  - NH and MJ are both fitting SIMC MM, expecting the same result, but
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    obtaining small differences
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  - Garth: you need to be sure both SIMC files have exactly the same
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    statistical sample, if even 1 event is different, all subsequent events
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    will have a different random number sample
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Sameer
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KaonLT CoinTime blocking
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- instead of a dynaminc timing window, went to a fixed window for each run
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    Oct/18 - multiple timing windows, each time the DAQ configuration changed
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    Dec/18 - 1 window: -11 to +129ns
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    Mar/19 - 1 window: -25 to +115ns
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  - showed plots of blocking correction vs CoinRate
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    - plots looked good, studies are nearly completed
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- Richard will send his blocking corr for Q2=3.0 W=3.14 for cross checks
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- Questions for Nathan: did you calculate the cable length delays?
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  - No, looked at photos of oscilloscope traces and added a bit extra to
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    account for jitter
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  - the way Sammer did it looks good
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- Q: how did you calculate the systematic uncertainty w/5ns window variation?
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  - Nathan: don't want the cut too tight, want to remain in the shoulders of
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  - good randoms
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- will try to make a plot of corrected yields after CoinCorr vs Rate, like
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  Nathan did, to confirm everything is correct
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- Nacer: will the CoinTime blocking correction be calculated in the Report
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  - Yes, still waiting on last checks, will update the files soon
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KaonLT systematic studies
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- SIMC systematic Rad On/Off
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  - get 2x difference in yield after applying Diamond Cut
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  - Garth: this indicates the MM cut is too narrow, it excludes all of the
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    radiative tail
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    *NB* the MM cut needs to be broadened
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  - Gabriel: the data looks a lot more like the RadOn dist than RadOff
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    - maybe tweaking one of the RadCorr params in SIMC is better than
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  - *NB* CKT will contact Dave for a meeting on how to proceed
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- acceptance systematics
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  - will vary target cuts
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    - ssxptar cut looks a bit wide
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  - delta cut: can narrow down the delta cut, but not make wider
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    - Tanja: our knowledge of the magnetic optics is not perfect, there are
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      discrepancies between data and MC even within the well understood region.
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KaonLT LT-sep
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- made a write-up on statistical uncertainty calculations that will be posted
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- will consult GH offline on the exact input values used in his t-shift calc
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- comparison of thetaCM dists for data and MC
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  - sees a spike at thetaCM=0 in data but not SIMC
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  - Gabriel: what happens in the code when cos(thetaCM)>1 due to resolution
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  - Tanja: we need to understand this issue, does it lead to the spike in sigL
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Next Meetings
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- Thurs: Mar 26 @ 16:00 Eastern/14:00 Regina
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