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Garth Huber, 04/02/2026 07:17 PM

 
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                Apr 2/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                               (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Please remember to post your slides at:
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https://redmine.jlab.org/projects/kltexp/wiki/Kaon_LT_Meetings
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Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nermin Sadoun, Muhammad Junaid, Nacer Hamdi,
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   Alicia Postuma
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Tanja Horn, Sameer Jain
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Nermin
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PionLT LD2 analysis
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- HMS calorimeter efficiencies
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  - went through Junaid's slides on the efficiency analysis
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  - HMS momentum used for the analysis is same as used for this setting
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  - will use his value
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- reading up on scientific background of the measurement and the LT-sep method
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- went through Nathan's Lumi report, will follow up with him on what runs to
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  use for LD2 analysis
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Nacer
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KaonLT applying t-shifts
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- had some issues w/ LT-sep after applying t-shift
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  - changed t-binning, events move to higher -t
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  - used this opportunity to better align t-centers for Lambda, Sigma0 bins
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- waiting on new replay jobs, had some batch scripting issues
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  - will apply Sameer's CoinBlocking correction after replay is done
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Richard
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More on replay batch jobs
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- there have been some SWIF2 updates
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- had a meeting w/ Casey, found some ways to make replays faster
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  - designate data output to node instead of cache
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  - then transfer data from node to tape
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  - replays run much faster this way
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- updated batch submission script at:
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  https://github.com/trottar/lt_analysis/blob/test/run_farm.sh 
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  You'll need to follow child scripts, but RT will create a cleaner template
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  version and post to redmine once all replays/apply cuts skim files are
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  complete
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Junaid
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- no report, will be focusing on thesis writing, will work in parallel on
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  systematic studies
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Sameer
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PionLT Q2=1.6 W=3.08 Low epsilon SHMS center (2022) data
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- checked stability of Q2 distribution vs run number
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  - fit a Gaussian to distribution to get mean
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  - Tanja: the Q2-distribution is not actually Gaussian, you should not fit the
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    full distribution, either fit just the top of the distribution, or (perhaps
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    even better in this case) just use the histogram mean in the stability
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    study
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- had a question about 2 runs in this setting
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  - FADC Mode-10 run: these are short runs where Mode-10 data were taken
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    for all detectors, not just Cherenkovs, as a diagnostic check
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  - HMS-3/4 run: HMS-ELREAL is typically used as the pre-trigger
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    - however, since P_HMS is low for this setting, we took additional data so
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      we can determine the ELREAL efficiency at low momentum
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  - don't use either of these as part of physics setting
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    - *NB* it's important to read up on what Mode-10 is, and the trigger
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      configuration
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    - *NB* Sameer will have to use the HMS-3/4 run for the ELREAL efficiency
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      study as part of his physics analysis
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      - this will affect the LT-separation, since it's only an issue for low
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        epsilon data, but not high epsilon, for this setting
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- HMS, SHMS acceptance cuts
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  - showed plots and asked some questions about what cuts to use
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  - we discussed this also at a Friday meeting a few weeks ago (see the notes)
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  - Junaid: the cuts are based on the region of well understood magnetic
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    optics.  For a good introduction to how the optics are calibrated, see
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    Carlos' Thesis
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    "Cross Section Measurements of Deuteron Electro-Disintegration at Very High
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     Recoil Momenta and Large 4-Momentum Transfers (Q2)"
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     https://misportal.jlab.org/sti/publications/16338/attachments/7617/cyero_dissertation.pdf
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  - will use same acceptance cuts as Nermin and Kathleen here
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Alicia
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KaonLT u-channel studies
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- had a productive meeting w/ Bill last week, who suggested:
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  1) determine Aerogel Efficiency using Heep data to correct for lost protons
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    due to knock-on electrons
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    - Heep will have small pi/K contamination, which is good, but rates will be
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      lower than data, and the efficiency may be rate-dependent
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  2) constrain rho/omega ratio in MM fits
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    - some variation is expected, but not by an order of magnitude
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  3) should concentrate more on the MM shape study now, and fine-tune the u-bin
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    borders later
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  4) add a bin exclusion criterion for #Events near m_omega, in addition to
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    Total #Events in u-phi bin
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  5) modify u-phi plot to use -u' as radius
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    - u_min is calculated from central kinematics, still gives some events with
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      -u'<0, and of course ROOT cannot plot a negative radius, giving an
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      unrealistic cutoff at the center of the u-phi plot
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    - Garth perefers to use -u+offset as the radius to avoid this issue
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- modified fitting algorithm
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  - was fitting each u-phi bin independently
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  - based on suggestion (2) now add an intermediate step
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    - first look at u-bin integrated over phi, and determine the overall shape
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      study fit parameters
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    - then fit each u-phi bin separately, using the above values as the
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      starting parameters in the fit
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  - seems to give slightly better results than before
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  - the pion leakthrough seems to have a fairly strong phi-dependence for
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    certain u-bins, which is a bit surprising
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  - not yet including any K leakthrough.  A clean K leakthrough sample from
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    data requires pion subtraction, and wants to avoid the systematic error
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    from using pion leakthrough twice
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    - since the main K leakthrough is K+Lambda events, instead will use SIMC
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      (normalized to data) for this channel
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    - will use Tanja's sigfactorized2007 model, some issues with implementation
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      that GH needs to look at
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    - for lowest -u bin, no pion leakthrough used, pion sample is restricted to
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      low MM only and no evidence of pi+n peak in data, distribution is mostly
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      misidentified protons as pi+
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    - mid -u bin has pi+n peak but doesn't extend much higher in MM
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    - high -u bin extends further in MM, includes pi+Delta0 region
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  - Garth: suggests to write on each u-phi MM plot which exclusion criterion
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    failed if a bin is excluded.  Bill did this, and it was an extremely useful
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    diagnostic to see what decision was used to exclude a bin
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- fitting Pythia to MM data
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  - Bill noticed a discrepancy at the high edge of MM distribution
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  - Garth: this is well past the omega region, suggests to restrict MM range
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    used in fit to exclude the far right edge of distribution
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  - will investigate u-shift to data, to see if it affects the Pythia
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    distribution shape, and improves the agreement w/ data
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Next steps:
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- will attempt Richard's event-by-event background weighting (last week) for
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  kinematic comparison plots
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- will do a new replay w/ Sameer's CoinBlocking correction
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- modify Garth's t-shift code for u-shift
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- investigate Aerogel eff w/ Heep data
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- modify SIMC collimator routine for proton punchthrough
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  - Dave: just replace pion cross section with proton interaction length from
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    PDG
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT Q2=3.0 W=3.14
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- after applying t-shift, sigL becomes very small in 1st t-bin and sigT becomes
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  large to compensate
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  - not a lot of iterations done though
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- looked at MM shift again vs t-bin, so see if this is a cause
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  - only see shift (~10 MeV) in high epsilon setting, low epsilon MM shift is
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    near zero
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  - t-dependence of MM shift is small
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- some discussion of kinematic offsets used
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  - Richard: all spectrometer angle and momentum offsets are global, only the
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    beam energy offsets differ by setting (since there is an uncertainty in the
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    arc-energy-measurement)
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- also some discussion about magnetic optics offsets
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  - in hms_10p6_GeV.param, Junaid used
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    hphi_offset =  2.8e-4
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    htheta_offset = 0
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  - some confusion on whether original 2018 ME are used, or NPS refit of 2018
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    ME.  Part of the issue is that both ME use the same file name, which is BAD
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    practice.  Tanja will follow-up with NPS students to have the file name
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- checked HGC hole cut at high and low epsilon
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  - found that x,y axes were reversed, fixed now
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  - found that Vijay's hole cut only worked for low epsilon data, hole cut is
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    too small for high epsilon data
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    - Garth: the issue is that unfortunately the HGC optics were not properly
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      aligned for the high epsilon data.  Need to draw a bigger hole cut to
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      account for the enlarged inefficient region
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  - this would have created extra bkd in the high epsilon data, possibly
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    skewing the results
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   Next Meetings
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- Thurs: Apr 9 @ 16:00 Eastern/14:00 Regina
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