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Garth Huber, 05/01/2026 06:23 PM

 
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               Apr 30-May 1/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                     Today: PionLT will be discussed first
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Nermin Sadoun, Nacer Hamdi,
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   Nathan Heinrich
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Sameer Jain
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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Poll for Meetings in Summer
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We agree upon the following:
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  Thursdays 1-2pm Eastern
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  Fridays 12-1pm Eastern
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  - GH will send Zoom invitations, the Zoom number will change
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Nathan
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PionLT Q2=5.0 W=2.95 low-eps Center-SHMS
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- MM histo shows evidence of both K+ and proton leakthrough
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  - K+ leakthrough is far from pi+n peak, not a problem since it can be removed
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    with MM cut
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  - small proton leakthrough is underneath pi+n peak, some additional studies
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    should be done to reduce this
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- comparison of pi+n peak w/ SIMC shows evidence of an MM offset
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  - SIMC and data diamonds also show a small shift between data and SIMC
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  - *NB* maybe the htheta offset was applied with wrong sign?  Nathan will
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    check
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- an HMS momentum offset is applied at 10 GeV, but not for low and mid epsilon
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 data
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   - GH thinks Junaid says this has to be removed
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   - *NB* Nathan will check with Junaid on this
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Nacer
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KaonLT Low Q2 LT-sep after t-shift applied
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- all iFarm jobs finally done
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- adjusted t-bins a bit, t-shift moved events higher in -t, so lower limit of
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  1st t-bin now a bit too low
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Lambda:
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- new t-binning:
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  - changed from 9 to 8 t-bins
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  - t-range:  new=0.074-0.128  old=0.070-0.128
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  - now have ~10k events for low t-bins, before the lowest bins had ~5k
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- changed functional forms:
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  L=p0*|t|*exp(-p1*|t|)/(|t|_mK**2)**2
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  T=p2*exp(-|p3*t|)
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  LT=p4*exp(-p5*|t|)*sin(theta)
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  TT=p6*exp(-p8*|t|)*sin^2(theta)
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- after these changes, the Rosenbluth fits look reasonable
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  - L: end up with monotonic increase, no bins <0
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    T: monotonic decrease
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  - Data/MC Ratios: low epsilon ratios look very nice for bins 1-6
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    high epsilon ratios look even better for bins 1-8
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  - did 20 iterations
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    - after the first few iterations the ratios became a bit worse, initially
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      the parameters were in a false chi-square minimum
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    - then had to do some parameter push by hand, after that the ratios
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      improved after more iterations as the fitting found a better minimum
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  - Data vs SIMC kinematic histogram comparisons
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    - SHMS_xpfp has a mismatch on one side, otherwise looks good
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    - *NB* Richard and Chi Kin will also check their distrubtions
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  - low-eps Center-SHMS has a left-right asymmetry (2 sigma?) in phi
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    distribution that is not shown by SIMC
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Sigma0:
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  - new t-binning:
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    - stay with 5 t-bins
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    - t-range:  new=0.194-0.156  old=0.100-0.156
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    - first 3 Sigma0 t-bins have same limits as last 3 Lambda t-bins
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  - using same new functional forms as for Lambda
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  - Rosenbluth fits look good, given the poorer statistics
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  - L: consistent w/ zero
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    T: flat dependence ~0.2 ub/GeV^2
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  - Data/MC Ratios: low epsilon has larger fluctuations than Lambda, but
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      reasonably flat
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    high epsilon ratios look better, but highest t-bin has left-right phi
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      asymmetry
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  - Data vs SIMC kinematic histogram comparisons
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    - SHMS_xpfp Data is wider than SIMC
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      SHMS_ypfp is similar, Data wider than SIMC
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Next steps:
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- include CoinTime blocking factors
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Sameer
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working on replaying data for Junaid's LT-sep framework
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- busy with 2 final exams next week
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT high Q2 LT-sep
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- some discussion on determining new Heep offsets given that the optics ME have
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  changed
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  - Garth is happy to do HEEPcheck analysis on result of new replay
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  - *NB* Chi Kin asks Richard to replay the Heep data for him
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- some discussion on how offsets should be applied in recon_hcana for SIMC data
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  - what is the most consistent way to apply offsets in SIMC?
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  - suggests a modification to the code
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  - Richard: doesn't think the results will change
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  - Nacer: suggest to try the code both ways and see if there's a difference
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Friday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nathan Heinrich, Alicia Postuma, Nacer Hamdi,
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   Vijay Kumar, Nermin Sadoun
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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CSULA - Konrad Aniol
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JMU - Gabriel Niculescu
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage, Rachel Montgomery
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Kathleen
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PionLT LD2 efficiency study for Q2=1.60 W=3.08 6.40GeV data
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- HMS tracking efficiencies ~99.6%, SHMS trackeff ~98%
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- HMS Cherenkov and calorimeter efficiencies
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  - the efficiencies are low, due to pi- contamination
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  - Gabriel: suggests to look at recent Hall C papers and theses on inclusive
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    electron scattering, which should have a lot of info on electron PID
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  - Garth: suggests to contact Junaid for his report on Calorimeter & Cherenkov
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    efficiencies
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Nermin
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PionLT LD2 Luminosity study
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- has mostly gotten Nathan's scripts working
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- looked at 2 sequences of runs:
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  6.395 GeV runs 16716-26
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  9.2 GeV runs 12158-66
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6.395 GeV:
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- discussion on Live Time vs Current plots
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  - the 6.395 GeV singles data was taken with 1 spectrometer at a time, the
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    EDTM livetime is reliable for this setting
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  - the 9.2 GeV data were taken with prescaled singles for both spectrometers
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    together, for these the EDTM is NOT reliable, the CPULT needs to be
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    calculated from the hodoscope rates and used instead
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  - it seems the "simple" CPULT calculation was used by mistake
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  - *NB* need to switch to Nathan's combinatoric CPULU calculation using
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    individual hodoscope plane rates
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    - Nathan: you will find the equation in scaler.py
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- Relative Yield Scaler, NoTrack, Track vs Rate
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  - there is a small non-linearity at >150 kHz that the correct CPULT
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    calculation will hopefully fix
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    - even the scaler yield is affected, since the ELLT extraction is affected
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      by the CPULT calculation
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- getting significant anti-boiling, which indicates the used efficiencies are
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  too low
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- will also look at Carbon Lumi runs, to check that reproduces Nathan's earlier
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Richard asks a question for Nathan about why EDTM doesn't work for dual
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spectrometer singles data
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- his idea is that for Coin Data the RefTime is taken from the SHMS
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  - when Coin DAQ is used, what RefTime is used for HMS singles events?
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  - maybe sometimes the wrong RefTime is used for HMS singles events?
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- this seems a sensible explanation
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  - *NB* we should follow up with Hanjie and Alexandre about this when at JLab
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    this summer
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Vijay
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PionLT Low Q2 LT-sep
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- working on systematic uncertainties
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- implementing GH's latest comments on paper draft
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KaonLT Q2=4.4 W=2.74 LT-sep
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- replayed all settings w/ all corrections applied
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  - Chi Kin's HGC hole cuts
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  - CoinTime blocking
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  - t-shifts applied
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  - Diamond cuts adjusted to ensure optimal overlap for all settings
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    - high-epsilon Left-SHMS diamond seems different than others, overlap
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      causes a large section of the diamond to be removed
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    - *NB* Chi Kin says he doesn't see this in his data.  Richard will follow
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      up with Chi Kin
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    - the only diamond where Chi Kin sees an issue is Q2=3.0 W=2.32, where one
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      corner is cut off, Richard also sees that
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- revised Empirical fits (still in progress)
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  - *NB* Garth: please compare the Lambda peak shape after background
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    subtraction to SIMC to be sure the radiative tail is not over subtracted
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  - discussion about the empirical fits
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    - Low-epsilon: very unclear any empirical fit is needed now that the proper
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      HGC hole cuts are used
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      - *NB* since the K+ data are now much cleaner, it is worthwhile to look
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        again at the RFtime cut for these data
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      - Alicia: expects the RFtime can be used to clean up some protons, but
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        not pi+, which are already handled by the pion sample subtraction
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KaonLT u-channel analysis
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- LT-sep code setup
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  - code now runs, based on Nacer's code, modified for u-channel
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  - plans to rerun shape study after every few iterations
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- verifiying corrections to Normalized Yield
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  - presents a nice table of all efficiencies to be applied, and where they
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    come from
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  - *NB* Garth: suggests to plot both proton and pi+ TrackEffs vs Rate, to be
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    sure the difference between them makes sense, only the pi+ TrackEffs have
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    been looked at in detail so far
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  - will try to determine proton efficiencies (e.g. event loss due to knock-on
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    electron events in Cherenkov) from Heep data, following Bill's thesis Sec
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    5.3.8
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    - *NB* Garth: not sure if the KaonLT Heep data span a large enough range in
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      rate, it would be good to check this.  If needed, we would have to figure
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- Alicia raises a good issue that the KaonLT CoinLumi data (from physics
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  settings) needs to be looked at again with latest corrections, to confirm the
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  yield is flat with rate
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  - Garth: these are part of the physics data sample already, just need to
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    divide out the runs taken with different currents, with proton PID cuts
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    used for the physics analysis
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  - Nathan: it would be good to look also at pi+, to see if the <cut to select
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    proton PID introduces a rate dependence due to knock-on electrons
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  - *NB* Alicia will look at these runs for proton and pi+ PID cuts
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  - Richard and Chi Kin should do for these same runs with K+ PID cuts
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- MM offset study and calculation of u-shifts
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  - will leave to a later stage of analysis
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Next Meetings
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- Thurs: May 7 @ 13:00 Eastern/15:00 Regina
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  - KaonLT will go first
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- Fri: May 8 @ 12:00 Eastern/10:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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*NOTE THE NEW TIMES AND ZOOM INFO*
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