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Garth Huber, 05/08/2026 07:19 PM

 
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                 May 7-8/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                     Today: KaonLT will be discussed first
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nathan Heinrich, Alicia Postuma, Dex Yadlowski,
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   Nacer Hamdi, Nermin Sadoun, Muhammad Junaid, Vijay Kumar
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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CUA - Chi Kin tam, Tanja Horn, Sameer Jain
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage, Rachel Montgomery
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Richard
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KaonLT Q2=4.4 W=2.74 LT-sep analysis
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- refining the empirical fit used underneath the Lambda MM peak
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- shape is a Chebyshev order 2 polynomial
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  - changed the MM range where the fit is applied
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- *NB* still need to compare data to SIMC (tail matching) to be sure radiative
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  tail is not over subtracted
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- added various checks in the background fit:
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  - mostly based on the the Data/MC Ratios, e.g. #t-phi bins that have Data/MC
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    ratio > 3 sigma from unity
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  - also a kinematic fit score: compare data to SIMC shape for different
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    variables
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  - Garth: the kinematic score makes sense, but the first 3 criteria are based
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    on the SIMC model, concerned that this will amplify the model dependence.
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    Is there a less model-dependent way of implementing a "smoothness"
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    criterion, to make sure the amount of subtracted background does not vary
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    suddenly between 2 bins?
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  - Nacer: what about trying Gabi's background subtraction method,
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    i.e. implementing a Q-factor?
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    - Richard: would need more clarification from Gabi on it before
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      implementing
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  - Garth: will you use the variations from this study to determine also the
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    background subtraction systematic uncertainty at the same time?
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    - *NB* Yes, that is the plan.  Will also cross check results w/ Chi Kin
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- did a background fit study with #t-bins varied from 2 to 4, and #phi-bins
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  from 8 to 10, to see which binning gave most reliable results according to
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  the above criteria
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  - Nacer: his worry is that you try to get Data/MC ratios near 1 by varying
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    the background, instead of optimizing the Lambda MM peak fit region
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    - Richard: not yet comparing background subtracted MM to SIMC, will need to
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      modify the code to do that
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  - each binning is scored according to different metrics, with weighting to
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    obtain a composite score:
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    - kinematic fit: 15%
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    - 3 Data/MC ratio criteria: 20-35% each, totaling to 80%
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    - #valid Data/MC ratio bins: 5%
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  - Garth: how was this weighting determined?
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    - Just by intuition
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    - *NB* Garth suggests to increase the kinematic fit score to 50%, to reduce
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      model dependence, and more closely tie the subtraction to the data
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- Dave: what is the physical origin of the background you are trying to
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  eliminate?  The origin should inform the strategy used to remove it
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  - points out worse PID for high epsilon data, due to lack of RFtime cut
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  - ending up with nearly zero bkd subtraction at low epsilon after the
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    improved HGC hole cuts
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  - high epsilon studies with these criteria are still running
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- Tanja: how didyou validate the background subtraction?
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  - the above criteria vs background scale factor
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT Heep offset optimization
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- spoke w/ Dave and confirmed the phi offset is applied incorrectly in hcana
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  - both offsets need to be applied: hphi_offset+h.oopcentral_offset
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    - *NB* will make modifications to hcana and push changes
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  - Dave also said oopcentral offset needs to be applied in SIMC input file
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    - this will affect exactly where events are generated
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    - *NB* needs to confirm w/ Dave on correct way to do this
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    - htheta_offset, hdelta_delta offset were set to zero in the SIMC input files
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      he found
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- *NB* Garth: please send me the Heep information from your new analysis, so he
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  can recalculate the HeepCheck offsets for comparison to yours
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Alicia
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KaonLT u-channel PID cut corrections
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- using PID cuts for protons:
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  Aerogel < 4npe
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  RFtime
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  HGC < 2npe + hole-cut
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- Aerogel "Efficiency": caused by knock-on electrons from protons in Aerogel
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  - Garth suggests to call a knock-on correction instead of an Efficiency to
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    avoid confusion
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- RFTime "Efficiency": Junaid corrects for valid events from tails of RFtime
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  peak that are removed by the timing window cut
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- For Aerogel Efficiency following the method from Bill's Thesis Sec 5.3.8
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  - used HeepCoin events for clean proton sample
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  - applied PID, acceptance, CoinTime, Missing Energy Cuts
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  - Bill obtained 92.7 +/- 1.6% efficiency, applied as a global factor to omega
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    data
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  - redoing that study here
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    - is the result rate dependent?
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      - Plot vs SHMS-3/4 rate from 2.2-2.9 kHz
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        - no clear dependence, but HeepCoin data cover a narrower range of
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          rates than physics data
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    - sees a beam energy dependence (proxy for SHMS momentum dependence):
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      93.5% (6.2 GeV) to 90.1% (10.6 GeV)
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      *NB* Garth: it would be worthwhile to get Nacer's HeepCoin data, to get a
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      wider SHMS momentum range
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      - it appears one could get a point as low as 2.5 GeV/c SHMS momentum
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   - Nacer: the 10.6 GeV Heep CoinTime peak seems very broad, the 8.2 GeV peak
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     is much narrower
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- Does Alicia's Geant4 proton loss code simulate the effect of knock-on
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  electrons?
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  - shmsPA counts Cherenkov photons, not NPE
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  - seems that the Geant4 code cannot be used to calculate this.  On the other
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    hand, it also means the number from the code will not double-correct for
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    this effect
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  - can try to use the Physics Data to determine this effect, and compare to
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    Heep result
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    - Garth: not sure the physics data are sufficiently clean to reliably do
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     this
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Friday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Nathan Heinrich, Alicia Postuma, Dex Yadlowski,
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   Nacer Hamdi, Nermin Sadoun
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York - Stephen Kay
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Sameer Jain, Tanja Horn
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage
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JMU - Gabriel Niculescu
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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Nacer
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KaonLT Low Q^2 LT-sep analysis
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- replay with CoinBlocking correction is completed, now included in Qeff
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  calculation
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  - had to resubmit jobs due to SciComp issues
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- observes no big changes after CoinTime blocking corr added
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  - doing more iterations
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  - plans to show separated cross sections next week, then on to systematic
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    uncertainty studies
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Nathan
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PionLT Q2=5.0 W=2.95 LT-sep analysis
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- preliminary diamond plots shown, will need to make adjustments to 2 corners
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- t-resolution plots (SIMC t-recon vs ti) looks very bad
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  - looked good straight from SIMC, before recon_hcana
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  - *NB* Gabriel: it is likely a -t vs +t issue, in SIMC ti is actually -t, in
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    recon_hcana t is +t, so need to add instead of subtract t-recon from ti to
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    get the t-resolution
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Sameer
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- ran first few scripts in Junaid's framework, essentially following same steps
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  as Nathan
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  - need to draw diamond
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  - only replayed SHMS_center setting so far, need to run others before looking
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    at t-binning, etc
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PionLT Lumi analysis to determine LD2 boiling correction
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- 9.2GeV beam Lumi set #1 Carbon
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  - showed Relative Yield vs Current and vs ELREAL_rate
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  - TLT plots: Red=EDTM Blue=CPULT*ELLT where ELLT is calculated from
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    combinatoric equation
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  - Runs 12143-12154:
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    HMS: scaler, NoTrack, Track yields look flat
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    SHMS: get some slope
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    - we compared to Nathan's result, they look similar
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    - Nathan: Scaler Yield boiling slope indicates some small error in ELLT
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      NoTrack Yield exhibits anti-boiling, indicating an error in CPULT in the
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      opposite direction
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      Track Yield has same anti-boiling effect, indicating that TrackEff is
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      probably okay (i.e. the anti-boiling was not worse)
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    - Dave: ELCLEAN would be cleaner than ELREAL, but recalls that Nathan tried
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      this and it did not help
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    - Nathan: maybe its an issue with just this setting, suggests to look at
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      other settings to see if the problem persists
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- 9.2GeV Lumi set #2
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  - plots look similar
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  - comparison to Nathan's analysis indicates he had same issues
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- 6.4 GeV Lumi Carbon Runs 16738-46
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  - HMS: slope is a bit bigger than Nathan's
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    - suggestion is to look again at PID cuts
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  - SHMS: will try to make the slope for this a bit better too
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- 6.4 GeV LD2 Lumi scan
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  - point at 80uA is a bit low compared to trend
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  - Nathan thinks there are likely ELLT issues for >200kHz rate
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- 9.2 GeV LD2 Lumi #1
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  - CPULT looks weird vs rate, jumps around a lot, non-monotonic
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    - Nathan: this needs more investigation
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      - particularly please check if the 45uA run has something wrong, such as
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        an error with ELLT calculation
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    - Dave: which BCM is being used in this study?
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      - Nathan: it is supposed to be BCM2, with the non-linearity correction
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        turned on
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    - *NB* Nathan: please recheck the current cuts used in this study, it could
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      be that they are either too loose or incorrect
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      - this is the first time these runs have been replayed, so that seems a
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        likely issue
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    - Gabriel: based on the scatter or slope of the Carbon data, we can
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      evaluate a systematic uncertainty that we apply to the LD2 Lumi study
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- 9.2 GeV LD2 Lumi #2
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  - HMS shows anti-boiling
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  - *NB* Nathan: suggests to look first at Current Cuts before the PID cuts
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PionLT LD2 analysis
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- will start soon on Lumi study
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- Rachel and Kathleen discussed, will recheck Nermin's result and then analyze
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  the scan at 7.9 GeV
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Next Meetings
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- Thurs: May 14 @ 13:00 Eastern/11:00 Regina
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  - PionLT will go first
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- Fri: May 15 @ 12:00 Eastern/10:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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*NOTE THE NEW TIMES AND ZOOM INFO*
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