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Garth Huber, 05/22/2026 06:29 PM

 
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                May 21-22/26 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                               (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: KaonLT will be discussed first
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Please remember to post your slides at:
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https://redmine.jlab.org/projects/kltexp/wiki/Kaon_LT_Meetings
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Thursday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Nathan Heinrich, Dex Yadlowski,
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   Vijay Kumar, Muhammad Junaid
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam, Sameer Jain
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Richard
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KaonLT Q2=4.4 W=2.74 revisiting the background subtraction
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- added some checks to empirical fit for systematics check
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- shows plots of Lambda region yield after various subtractions:
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  - Randoms
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  - Dummy target
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  - Pion leakthrough
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  - Empirical Fit1
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  - Empirical Fit2 (following fit 1, as per last week) -- termed FINAL fit
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  - there is a large drop in yield going from Fit1 to Fit2, even for low
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    epsilon data, which has smaller background (with available RFtime cut)
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    - the high epsilon data will be even MORE sensitive, due to significantly
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      more background to subtract
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- try to quantify the background subtraction fraction by comparing after pion
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  subtraction to after Fit 2
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  - also compare high-eps and low-eps data
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  - find that lower t-bins are better behaved than higher -t (due to larger
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    background there)
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- conclusion: empirical fits by themselves are not sufficiently reliable
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  - will try empirical fits again as a last step after using Chi Kin's SIMC
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    background subtraction method
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- saving all of the cross-check info and will let everyone know where the
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  documentation is kept when complete
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Chi Kin
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KaonLT Looking at effect of Ybeam on xptar
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- tried old HMS100 matrix elements from Tanja
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- worked out effect on xptar, delta
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- also tried forward and backward SHMS matrix elements
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- Dave: spoke with Mark Jones about this.  He says that this procedure works,
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  but that the first order raster matrix elements include this effect
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  automatically
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  - vertical position component is listed at end of reconstruction matrix
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    elements used by hcana
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  - shows shms_newfit_xptar_apr2020.dat where raster vertical sensitive
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    contributions are listed (lines 213-218)
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  - information on the file structure is available from the SIMC routine
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    shared/transp.f, admittedly this is not very friendly documentation
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  - *NB* CKT will comare to what he found to see if they're consistent
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- OOP angle offset from HeepCoin data
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  - last week, used distribution width as the uncertainty (too large)
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  - now using the centroid fit uncertainty plus a systematic uncertainty
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    - evaluated the systematic by changing the fit range and functional forms
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  - result is a bit different than what GH found, perhaps as he used a
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    different number of data points in his fit
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- looking into correct recipe to apply offsets
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  - they need to be in SIMC input files and recon_hcana
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  - Richard: recon_hcana is set up to read these automatically from the
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    relevant SIMC input file
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- shows plot of BPM xpos for HeepCoin runs
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  - sometimes there are too few values
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  - Dave: it depends on how often the BPM info was read out, either 2sec or
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    30sec.  If it was set to 30sec and the run was short, there could be
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    a small number of reads for that run
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  - a more likely scenario, however, is that the xpos histogram ranges are too
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    small
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    - some variables have no entries at all, need to widen the histogram scale
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      a lot
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Next steps:
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- will verify beam positions in production data and rerun SIMC to recheck the
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  MM shifts
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Vijay
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Low Q2 PionLT systematic study update
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- radiative corrections
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  - as discussed last week, following method in Blok et al. paper
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  - look at Data/MC ratio for different MM cuts to see if Data and MC have same
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    tail shape, particularly noting if there is an epsilon dependence
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  - difference from last week: plots for different t-bins, averaged over
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    phi-bins
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  - shows plots of change in ratio for different MM cuts at low, medium, high
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    epsilon
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  - t-bins 3-7: behave similarly, deviation of low and high epsilon from medium
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    epsilon is within +/-1.5% band
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  - deviation is quite a bit lower for bins 1-2, nearly zero for bin 1
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  - will apply a bin-by-bin systematic
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- model dependence
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  - looked at effect on L,T,LT,TT by changing L(+/-10%), T(+/-10%), LT(+/-14%),
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    TT(+/-36%), where the variation is consistent with 1sigma statistical error
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    band of data
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  - the resulting separated cross sections are not sensitive, variations of
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    order of +/-1%
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Alicia
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KaonLT u-channel - follow up on Aerogel knock-on correction for protons
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- using a combination of PionLT, KaonLT HeepCoin and KaonLT physics data to get
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  a wider momentum range
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- since different aerogel trays are used, scaling the interaction probability
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  by the aerogel density proportional to (n-1)
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- last week: binomial errors were too small, Dave had suggested the SHMS-delta
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  dependence of the different HeepCoin runs could be enough to justify an
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  additional systematic uncertainty
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  - looked at the illuminated Aero-X,Y positions for different HeepCoin runs,
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    and indeed find a variation in both the width of the illuminated area as
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    well as the centroid, some settings have smaller regions illuminated than
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    others
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  - added a 1.4% systematic in quadrature w/ binomial errors
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- plot of knock-on corr vs momentum shows a nice linear relationship w/
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  reasonable error band
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  - correcting the momentum plotted for each Heep run according to delta_SHMS,
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    not simply using P0_SHMS
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  - from Heep data:    P=3.15 GeV/c: corr=91.5% +/- 0.9%
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                         3.76             94.0%     1.1%
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  - from Physics data: P=2.93             92.7%     1.2%
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                         3.33             92.7%     1.2%
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  - Corr to be applied to data:
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       Q2=3.0 W=3.14   P=6.04             83.4% +/- 1.6%
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Next steps:
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- working on results to show at Hall A/C meeting in June
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- will include knock-on corr in Qeff
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- setting up binned kinematics for LT-sep framework
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- plans to circulate draft slides by June 5
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- determine HGC and RFcut corrections to apply to data
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- verify flat-dependence of KaonLT CoinLumi scans as verification of boiling
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  and CoinBlocking corrections
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Sameer
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PionLT Q2=1.6 PID cuts
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- initially used Junaid's Q2=3.85 cuts
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- these cuts appear to work for SHMS-center, need to be revised for left, right
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- also looking at run-dependence
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  - some runs have small #counts
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  - suggestions: check hclog and run sheets to see if shift workers noted
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    anything
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- Nathan: don't need the NGC for pi+ analysis
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  - the HGC in principle can be useful for K/p rejection, but needs more study
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    to see this setting is a good one for that
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- *NB* will have to recheck RFtime and CoinTime cuts
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  - shows RFtime histo for Run 16408
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    - extra blob could be due to e+p coincidences, need to apply PID cuts first
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      to this plot before deciding cuts
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Friday: Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Alicia Postuma, Nathan Heinrich, Dex Yadlowski,
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   Nacer Hamdi, Vijay Kumar, Nermin Sadoun
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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JMU - Gabriel Niculescu, Ioana Niculescu
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Glasgow - Kathleen Ramage
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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CUA - Chi Kin Tam
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Nacer
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KaonLT Sigma0/Lambda sigT ratios
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- used common t-overlap region of 0.11<-t<0.14
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- Sigma/Lambda ratio ~0.4 with little variation acros 3 t-bins
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  - there are slight (Q2,W) shifts between Lambda and Sigma0 for the 3 t-bins
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  - there is a slight difference in t-center for the middle t-bin, t-centers
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    are aligned for bins 1,3 (although the integration regions are different)
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  - when comparing to VGL and CKY models, GH will evaluate the models at the
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    exact kinematics of the data, so any mismatches between Lambda and Sigma0
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    kinematics are the same between data and model
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- Vijay: asks questions about forming ratio for sigL as well, to investigate
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  K-pole dominance
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  - this is a good idea, can be done
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- Gabriel: inquires to check that thetaCM was calculated correctly for Sigma0
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  analysis, using m_Sigma rather than m_Lambda
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PionLT LD2 cryotarget boiling study
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- 6.4 GeV data, Runs 16727-37 (carbon) and RUns 16716-26 (LD2)
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- these runs have singles 1 arm at a time, so EDTM should be reliable
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- shows Carbon plots of scaler, notrack, tracked yields vs rate and vs current
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  - both HMS and SHMS are in agreement with what Nathan and Nermin saw,
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    indicating that the code is working correctly
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- HMS CPULT looks weird even though EDTM is reliable (i.e. TLT is good)
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  - estimation of CPULT from scaler tree gives ~80%
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  - estimation from ELLT and EDTM give 120%
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  - Nathan was unable to figure out what is wrong, Kathleen is welcome to look
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- LD2 boiling plots of scaler, notrack, tracked yields vs rate and vs current
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  - SHMS: last 2 boiling points are too low, giving an unrealistic slope, and
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    needs double checking
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  - some other scans look more reasonable
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  - Nathan: it's important to combine plots of different settings together vs
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    rate and vs current, these can give clues as to what is wrong with outliers
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    - if the different settings are truly measuring the LD2 boiling, they
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      should be consistent with each other
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- *NB* will resume weekly meetings with Nermin to compare analyses and discuss
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Nermin
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PionLT LD2 cryotarget boiling study
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- went through 3 different lumi scans, checking the current cuts and PID cuts
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  for some runs
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  - this improved the tracked, untracked yields for some runs
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- sees same issues @ 6.4 GeV as Kathleen
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- planning to combine all sets together
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- also will look at 7.4 GeV lumi scan
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PionLT Q2=5.0 W=2.95 t-binning
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- applyed t-shifts before deciding binning, so we have some discussion first
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  about MM offsets
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  - mid-eps Right-SHMS setting has a ~10 MeV MM shift, plots of data and MC
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    indicate they really do differ by that much
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    - *NB* it would be worthwhile to confirm the correct optics offsets are
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      used in the replay for this setting
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  - many other MM offsets are much smaller, two high-eps settings have opposite
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    sign than the others
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  - t-shift is typically ~0.0015, but with varying sign as noted above
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- 7 t-bins selected: low-eps: 3600-4100 counts, mid-eps: ~5000, hi-eps: ~4500
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- compared normaized data yields to physics_pion simulation: Data/MC ratio
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  about 5.8
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- calculate average kinematics per bin
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- start iteration procedure
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- while that's going on, will then set up Q2=6.0 W=3.09 setting
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- Q2-scan at x=0.39 also needs Q2=2.12 data
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  - low epsilon data were taken in 2019, high eps in 2022
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  - *NB* Vijay offers to replay 2019 data, Nathan will send a run list
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  - Nathan will also need the HeepCoin offset values Vijay used
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Next Meetings
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- Thurs: May 28 @ 13:00 Eastern/11:00 Regina
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  - PionLT will go first
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- Fri: May 29 @ 12:00 Eastern/10:00 Regina
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  - we will continue where we left off
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PS: Gabriel and Ioana have been patiently waiting for some time for their
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    presentation and discussion
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    - *NB* people should expect next Friday's meeting to go at least 30 minutes
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      longer than usual, and try to have their slides for Thursday if possible
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