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Garth Huber, 05/09/2025 11:20 AM

 
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                 May 8/25 PionLT/KaonLT Analysis Meeting Notes
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                                (Notes by GH)
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                    Today: KaonLT will be discussed first
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Please remember to post your slides at:
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https://redmine.jlab.org/projects/kltexp/wiki/Kaon_LT_Meetings
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Present
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Regina - Garth Huber, Ali Usman, Alicia Postuma, Ivan Zhenchuk,
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   Muhammad Junaid, Nathan Heinrich, Nacer Hamdi
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JLab - Dave Gaskell
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CUA - Tanja Horn
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Virginia - Richard Trotta
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Ohio - Julie Roche
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FIU - Pete Markowitz
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Richard
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KaonLT LT-separations Q2=4.4, W=2.74
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- fixing weird dip in unseparated cross sections near phi=180deg discussed last
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  week
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  - the problem was a ROOT issue, a cut was applied to eliminate from the
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    Rosenbluth fit those phi bins with negative cros section, however, this cut
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    seemed to not be used
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  - needed to put this cut directly into the Fortran code used for the
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    Rosenbluth fit
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  - after a few iterations, the unseparated cross sections are now positive for
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    all phi, and these bins are no longer excluded from the fit
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  - L,T,LT,TT functional forms unchanged from before
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  - added step 6 (discussed last week) in the Rosenbluth fitting algorithm,
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    i.e. fit LT,TT while keeping L,T fixed
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- new separated results look much more sensible
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  - LT: now ~5, previously ~20
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  - TT: now ~8, previously 10-35
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  - L:  now 8-0, before ~18
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  - T:  now 6-10, before 4 to -3
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  - now T>L for all t-bins, which is more in line with theoretical expectations
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  - TT has decreasing trend to smallest -t bin
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  - LT is flatter, no clear decreasing trend with smaller -t
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Future steps:
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- given these large changes, will need to eventually demonstrate that both
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  sig_uns and the separated cross sections are stable
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- Data|MC comparison plots can be shown next week
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- will present a detailed systematic errors plan next week
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Ali
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piDelta BSA finer t-binning
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- shape study for lowest -t bins completed
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- ran into a problem with higher -t bins, the issue is that the pi+n process
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  doesn't populate some bins, which caused fits to fail
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  - in the process of removing pi+n entirely from high -t fit, taking longer
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    than expected
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- plans to show final shape study, and possibly some early BSA results, next
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  week
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Alicia
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u-channel Q2=3.0, W=3.14 missing mass studies
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- SHMS center setting, covering all of -pi<phi<+pi
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  - peak near MM~0 is fit better with DVCS MC than pi0 MC
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    - somewhat surprising that DVCS would be so prominent in comparison to pi0,
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      Alicia plans to also look at MM^2 as that would better indicate if it's
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      really DVCS or not
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    - in the end, it really doesn't matter what process it is, since we're not
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      likely to extract results for the MM~0 peak, just as long as it's fit
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      well to describe non-omega background in the histogram
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  - high MM region: still need to figure out Pythia generator for this region
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  - MM plots shown for 8 phi bins, did MC fits to each
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    - eta' peak is surprisingly large, but there is no proper background
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      underneath yet, so likely it's overestimated
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  - some discussion about pi+|K+ leakthrough
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    - applying HGC hole cut to reduce leakage, no K+|pi+ subtraction yet
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- SHMS left setting
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  - MM distribution cuts off earlier than for center setting, around 1.35 GeV
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  - MM plots for 8 phi bins: 4 filled bins near phi~+/-pi, bins near phi~0
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    mostly empty (as expected)
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  - clear omega peaks are seen, also a more prominent K+Lambda peak than for
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  - center setting, nearly as big as omega
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- SHMS right setting
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  - MM distribution extends up to ~1.5 GeV
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  - MM plots for 8 phi bins: 4 filled bins near phi~0, so left+right settings
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    give full phi coverage
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  - some evidence of pi+n leathrough, smaller than K+Lambda, but these events
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    are on shoulder of omega peak, so we will have to treat them carefully
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  - all plots are for full t(u) range
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Next steps:
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- will present a plan on how the analysis should proceed next week
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  - next step will be the Pythia generator for high MM region
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    - if it down't work, Plan B would be to work with Hem on modifying the
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      SIDIS generator for u-channel protons in SIMC
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  - then will look at K+|pi+ leakthrough subtraction
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  - too soon to know if any u-binning is possible, for this setting Ali has 3
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    t-bins, omega is likely less statistics than piDelta
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Nacer
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Q2=0.5 KaonLT analysis
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- Data|MC comparison plots shown
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  - P.dc.xp_fp shows some difference in width between Data and MC
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  - a weird dip is seen near center of H.gtr.th
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    - some discussion whether it's statistically significant or not
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    - Dave suspects an instrumental issue, the dip is close to where the two
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      mirrors overlap in the HMS Cherenkov, however Nacer is applying only a
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      HCer>2npe cut, so that should't really cause this
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- MM histo shows the Lambda peak at 1.12 GeV instead of expected 1.16
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  - what is weird is that the Sigma peak is not similarly shifted, but appears
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    at the expected 1.19 GeV
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  - however, SIMC predicts correctly the observed spacing between these two
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    peaks
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    - a fixed offset of 3.68 MeV is applied to all MM data (both Lambda and
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      Sigma) to get them to line up with the MCs
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- working on yield scripts per t-phi bin, would like to have some preliminary
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  cross sections to show at the CAP Congress in a month
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Junaid
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Q2=3.85, W=2.62 PionLT analysis
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- showed t-binning for this setting last week
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- found a small bug in error calculation script
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  - only bins with ~100% errors are those with 1-2 events (SHMS left or right)
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    so the errors appear to be sensible now
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  - ran SIMC more so that SIMC yield errors are much smaller than data, about
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    1%
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- calculated Data/MC ratios, where MC uses default Bosted pion model
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  - even with no iterations, the ratios already 0.9-1.0(!)
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- Data|MC comparisons
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  - generally the comparisons are very good, except for:
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    - HMS-delta has a significant dip at +6% in low epsilon data
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    - Dave: this looks like a mis-calibration of some segmented detector, such
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      as calorimeter or hodoscope
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      - suggests to look at calorimeter E/p vs delta, as well as beta vs delta
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    - Dave: do these data use Nathan's corrected Reference Times?
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      - while looking in more detail at Nathan's Lumi scan ROOT trees earlier
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        today, noticed a block shift at H.gtr.dp~6 when using the updated time
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        window cuts
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      - the same Run 14616 with the old cuts have no problem
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      - Nathan: it appears that somehow a bad calibration for the hodoscope
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        bars slipped in when changing the reference cuts, will investigate
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Next steps:
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- working on LTsep iteration framework
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  - GH giving a tutorial on this topic next Monday morning
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Nathan
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PionLT Coin Lumi deadtime problem
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- last week, we discussed the effect of changing the reference time cuts, and
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  that the yields mysteriously did not change, although it was clear from the
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  CoinTime plots that they should have
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- spent last few days looking at this
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  - found that #Events passing cuts makes no sense, seems way too low
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  - tried removing PID cuts and #Events went down instead of up!
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  - clearly something is massively wrong in the script
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- will briefly consult with Junaid and Richard on the analysis script
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  - Nathan will give script debug info to Richard for him to look at
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- if can't quickly find the problem, then will write a new script from scratch
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- will also look at the calibration issue identified above by Dave
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- reading up on detectors, things starting to make a bit more sense now
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Next Meeting
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- Thur May 15 @ 15:30 Eastern/13:30 Regina
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  - KaonLT will go first
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  ** THIS TIME WILL BE USED AT LEAST UNTIL THE END OF AUGUST **
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